Thank you for the reminder and the audiophile. I started and prayed along with you. I might as well keep it up! Thank you Shanara, and you have a beautiful voice to pray along with every day. Actually, you sound just like I pictured you would! 🤗❤️
I am uncertain how my email came into your presence, but I will nonetheless inject my two cents as God gives me utterance. Firstly, I am a protestant, one whose belief is base positively and absolutely from the Judeo-Christian Bible, I do not differ to any other ,but that creed. As it is written, Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved, and again, Joh_14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Anything and everything that suggest that we speak to dead saints, like Mary the Mother of Christ is Idolatry and Spiritualism and is on EVERY surface, preparing innocent souls to be cast into eternal hell.
Sorry, but obviously we'll have to agree to disagree. I see these same arguments endlessly repeated every day on Twitter, and frankly, it gets a bit tiresome after a while to respond to them. If you're truly interested what the church that Jesus himself founded believes and why, I recommend reading "Rome Sweet Home: Our Journey to Catholicism," by Scott & Kimberly Hahn (Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Sweet-Home-Journey-Catholicism/dp/0898704782/), or "Surprised By Truth: 11 Converts Give the Biblical and Historical Reasons for Becoming Catholic" (Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Surprised-Truth-Converts-Biblical-Historical/dp/0964261081/).
However, I assume you don't actually want to know why the Catholic Church is the one true church, but are just trolling here. Evidence is that you don't know how you got on this email list. The remedy is to simply click the Unsubscribe button that's at the bottom of every email. God bless you.
@sHANNARA JOHNSON, First let me say, I neither troll nor do I have the time or taste for it, I find the whole idea demonic to say the least. However, I admire your quick defense of the Roman Catholic Church, but I want to make it categorically clear, The Church of Rome is morally, spiritually indefensible. Unless you are an historian you are hopeless to participate in any discussion on this topic that you term "tired". It may be tired to you, but history bears the record of millions killed by the Church simply for having another opinion on thus say the Lord. Your quick attitude to point me to the subscribe button is indeed the very essence of a system that branded all dissidents as Heretics and discarded them to the flames. Rome is NO home for anyone, not to mention a sweet home. You have to be kidding me.
Mary is dead and in the grave awaiting her son to call her forth, she has absolutely nothing to do with salvation as she herself was desperately in need of being saved.
I must confess, the topic is very thought provoking and that is why I clicked on it, I suggest to all Roman Catholics, get out of Rome before it is eternally too late. Rome will not change, Rev 2:21
Fine. since I don't have hours to spend and am not a biblical scholar, I'll borrow the explanation from my Twitter pal Brian Burgess (shoutout to @Burgess7281975) who with near-angelic patience repeats this day after day after day for the Protestant hecklers:
The Mother of God (Luke 1:43) is most certainly not dead. Aside from the fact that the Ave Maria is wholly derivative of Scripture you should also understand that Saints aren’t dead. These are fundamental tenets of Christianity.
(1) Scriptural Basis for Marian Veneration:
(A) Marian Typology in the Old Testament
⁃Genesis 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman”
⁃1 Kings 2:19-20 (Solomon institutes office of Queen Mother)
⁃Psalms 45:9 “at your right hand stands the queen in gold at Ophir”
⁃Psalms 45:13 “the daughter of the king . . . with gold woven robes”
⁃Isaiah 7:14 “a virgin shall conceive and bear a son”
⁃Luke 1 (compares Mary with the Ark of the Covenant - verse 35 with Numbers 9:15, verse 44 with 2 Samuel 6:14, verse 43 with 2 Samuel 6:9, verse 56 with 2 Samuel 6:11)
(B) Mary Hailed as “Mother of Our Lord”
⁃Matthew 1:23 “virgin shall . . . bear a son . . . shall be called “Emmanuel””
⁃Luke 1:35 “child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God”
⁃Luke 1:43 “the mother of my Lord”
⁃Galatians 4:4 “God sent forth His Son, born of woman”
⁃John 19:27 “Behold your mother.”
(C) Mary As Intercessor
⁃John 2:1 (IHS works Miracle at Cana at Mary’s request)
(D) Marian Assumption prefigured in OT and supported in NT
⁃Genesis 5:23-24 (Mary’s Assumption prefigured through Enoch’s assumption)
⁃Apocalypse of Saint John 12:1-12 (Woman in Heaven clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, wearing a crown of twelve stars)
(E) Mary’s Uniqueness in Creation
⁃Genesis 3:15 (Total opposition to satan)
⁃Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of Grace”
⁃Luke 1:42 “blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb”
⁃Luke 1:48 “behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed”
⁃Luke 2:34-35 “ 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; 35 And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed.”
(2) Now moving to the Scriptural Basis for Intercessory Prayer:
Many protestants conflate “prayer” with worship.
It’s not. Prayer means literally “to ask or petition.”
Parties to litigation indeed “pray” to civil courts for relief.
Intercessory Prayer is referenced at least as far back as 1 Kings 13:6.
Even the Lord’s Prayer references our forgiveness for those who trespass against us. Paul exhorts us to pray for others (in Ephesians 6:18), prays for Onesiphorous (2 Timothy 1:16-18), James exhorts the same (James 5:16) and IHS does this repeatedly (John 17:9 inter Alia).
Saints aren’t dead. Archangels Raphael, Gabriel, and Michael are most definitely Saints and most definitely not dead.
Elijah and Moses appeared with IHS at the Transfiguration (Mark 9, Luke 9, Matt 17) and that Jesus promised Saint Dismas Eternal Life that very day of his Crucifixion (Luke 23:43).
(A) Saints are alive
⁃Matthew 17:1-5 (Transfiguration: Jesus speaks with Moses and Elijah)
⁃Mark 12:26-27 “God of Abraham . . . Isaac . . . Jacob . . . not God of the dead but God of the living”
⁃Apocalypse of Saint John 7:15 “they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night”
⁃Luke 23:43 “Amen, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
⁃Luke 20:38 “and He is not the God of the dead but the God of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
Thank you for the reminder and the audiophile. I started and prayed along with you. I might as well keep it up! Thank you Shanara, and you have a beautiful voice to pray along with every day. Actually, you sound just like I pictured you would! 🤗❤️
Thank you! :)
I am uncertain how my email came into your presence, but I will nonetheless inject my two cents as God gives me utterance. Firstly, I am a protestant, one whose belief is base positively and absolutely from the Judeo-Christian Bible, I do not differ to any other ,but that creed. As it is written, Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved, and again, Joh_14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Anything and everything that suggest that we speak to dead saints, like Mary the Mother of Christ is Idolatry and Spiritualism and is on EVERY surface, preparing innocent souls to be cast into eternal hell.
Sorry, but obviously we'll have to agree to disagree. I see these same arguments endlessly repeated every day on Twitter, and frankly, it gets a bit tiresome after a while to respond to them. If you're truly interested what the church that Jesus himself founded believes and why, I recommend reading "Rome Sweet Home: Our Journey to Catholicism," by Scott & Kimberly Hahn (Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Sweet-Home-Journey-Catholicism/dp/0898704782/), or "Surprised By Truth: 11 Converts Give the Biblical and Historical Reasons for Becoming Catholic" (Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Surprised-Truth-Converts-Biblical-Historical/dp/0964261081/).
However, I assume you don't actually want to know why the Catholic Church is the one true church, but are just trolling here. Evidence is that you don't know how you got on this email list. The remedy is to simply click the Unsubscribe button that's at the bottom of every email. God bless you.
@sHANNARA JOHNSON, First let me say, I neither troll nor do I have the time or taste for it, I find the whole idea demonic to say the least. However, I admire your quick defense of the Roman Catholic Church, but I want to make it categorically clear, The Church of Rome is morally, spiritually indefensible. Unless you are an historian you are hopeless to participate in any discussion on this topic that you term "tired". It may be tired to you, but history bears the record of millions killed by the Church simply for having another opinion on thus say the Lord. Your quick attitude to point me to the subscribe button is indeed the very essence of a system that branded all dissidents as Heretics and discarded them to the flames. Rome is NO home for anyone, not to mention a sweet home. You have to be kidding me.
Mary is dead and in the grave awaiting her son to call her forth, she has absolutely nothing to do with salvation as she herself was desperately in need of being saved.
I must confess, the topic is very thought provoking and that is why I clicked on it, I suggest to all Roman Catholics, get out of Rome before it is eternally too late. Rome will not change, Rev 2:21
Fine. since I don't have hours to spend and am not a biblical scholar, I'll borrow the explanation from my Twitter pal Brian Burgess (shoutout to @Burgess7281975) who with near-angelic patience repeats this day after day after day for the Protestant hecklers:
The Mother of God (Luke 1:43) is most certainly not dead. Aside from the fact that the Ave Maria is wholly derivative of Scripture you should also understand that Saints aren’t dead. These are fundamental tenets of Christianity.
(1) Scriptural Basis for Marian Veneration:
(A) Marian Typology in the Old Testament
⁃Genesis 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman”
⁃1 Kings 2:19-20 (Solomon institutes office of Queen Mother)
⁃Psalms 45:9 “at your right hand stands the queen in gold at Ophir”
⁃Psalms 45:13 “the daughter of the king . . . with gold woven robes”
⁃Isaiah 7:14 “a virgin shall conceive and bear a son”
⁃Luke 1 (compares Mary with the Ark of the Covenant - verse 35 with Numbers 9:15, verse 44 with 2 Samuel 6:14, verse 43 with 2 Samuel 6:9, verse 56 with 2 Samuel 6:11)
(B) Mary Hailed as “Mother of Our Lord”
⁃Matthew 1:23 “virgin shall . . . bear a son . . . shall be called “Emmanuel””
⁃Luke 1:35 “child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God”
⁃Luke 1:43 “the mother of my Lord”
⁃Galatians 4:4 “God sent forth His Son, born of woman”
⁃John 19:27 “Behold your mother.”
(C) Mary As Intercessor
⁃John 2:1 (IHS works Miracle at Cana at Mary’s request)
Part 2:
⁃See also Acts 1:14; 1 Timothy 4:16; Hebrews 4:16
(D) Marian Assumption prefigured in OT and supported in NT
⁃Genesis 5:23-24 (Mary’s Assumption prefigured through Enoch’s assumption)
⁃Apocalypse of Saint John 12:1-12 (Woman in Heaven clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, wearing a crown of twelve stars)
(E) Mary’s Uniqueness in Creation
⁃Genesis 3:15 (Total opposition to satan)
⁃Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of Grace”
⁃Luke 1:42 “blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb”
⁃Luke 1:48 “behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed”
⁃Luke 2:34-35 “ 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; 35 And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed.”
(2) Now moving to the Scriptural Basis for Intercessory Prayer:
Many protestants conflate “prayer” with worship.
It’s not. Prayer means literally “to ask or petition.”
Parties to litigation indeed “pray” to civil courts for relief.
Intercessory Prayer is referenced at least as far back as 1 Kings 13:6.
Even the Lord’s Prayer references our forgiveness for those who trespass against us. Paul exhorts us to pray for others (in Ephesians 6:18), prays for Onesiphorous (2 Timothy 1:16-18), James exhorts the same (James 5:16) and IHS does this repeatedly (John 17:9 inter Alia).
Saints aren’t dead. Archangels Raphael, Gabriel, and Michael are most definitely Saints and most definitely not dead.
Elijah and Moses appeared with IHS at the Transfiguration (Mark 9, Luke 9, Matt 17) and that Jesus promised Saint Dismas Eternal Life that very day of his Crucifixion (Luke 23:43).
(A) Saints are alive
⁃Matthew 17:1-5 (Transfiguration: Jesus speaks with Moses and Elijah)
⁃Mark 12:26-27 “God of Abraham . . . Isaac . . . Jacob . . . not God of the dead but God of the living”
⁃Apocalypse of Saint John 7:15 “they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night”
⁃Luke 23:43 “Amen, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
⁃Luke 20:38 “and He is not the God of the dead but the God of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
See also
⁃Matthew 22:30-32
⁃Matthew 27:52-53
⁃Mark 9:4
⁃Luke 9:30-31
⁃Luke 15:17
⁃Luke 16:19-31
⁃John 12:25-26
⁃John 17:3
⁃Romans 8:26-27
⁃1 Corinthians 13:9-12
⁃1 Corinthians 15:42-43
⁃2 Corinthians 3:18
⁃Philippians 3:20-21
⁃1 Thessalonians 3:13
⁃1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
⁃2 Thessalonians 1:10
⁃1 John 3:2
⁃Revelation 6:9-11
⁃Revelation 7:9-17
⁃Revelation 14:1-5
⁃Revelation 16:6
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